Thursday, November 20, 2008

What God can be...

Most of us, when think of God, assume that God is All-powerful, All-knowing, Just and so on. These attributes can sometimes be 'questioned' when they seem to contradict reality. Forexample some people being born rich while others being born poor doesnt seem to point to God being Just. Similarly God being All-Knowing and Just may not seem to fit exactly with the idea of free-will. And so on... many more examples can be put here.

However what if God does not have these attributes? What if God is not all-powerful, all-knowing, just or any of the other attributes that we associate with him? In that case the way things are in this world would make more sense. What if God is not Merciful or Just? That would explain all the mysery and pain we suffer. What if God is not All-knowing or All-powerful? What if even God does not know what the future is ? or What if God is Evil?

Bottom line: God, if exists, can have any 'qualities' and our assumed qualities could be wrong.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

yeah this should be given a thought, If God claims to be just, why do we encounter discriminative environment in this world?

I fancy your ideas Uzair ..

Awais Aftab said...

Yeah, it is certainly a very valid point. In fact, I.B. Singer came to a similar conclusion when he developed his 'private mysticism', saying that since God is unknown, He could be endowed with whatever traits one elects to hang upon him.

Also, the whole history of the idea of God shows that different people have had different conceptions of God in different times; God is not an entity with some fixed attributes, it's a very fluid concept. The Islamic concept is different fromt that of Christian concept of God, and these are both very different from the God of Voltaire, or God of Aristotle, for instance.

This line of thinking can be stretched further. For instance, one can argue that there is so much choas n upheavel in the world, how can it be the work of One God. Hence you can come up with a whole Olympiad of gods that is running this universe [In a sense it can be said that we are attributing the quality of 'plurality' to God.] Many people do find Polytheism to be more satisfactory in explaining the disorder of the world, as indicated by the revival of Neo-paganism.

Anonymous said...

There is no question of 'if' my friend. Look at the world around you. Look at the precision, the intricacy that lies in it. Only God can do that. I feel sorry for your insolence and stupidity.

The only problem with humans, and your friend Awais is the limited approach they have. The system is not chaotic, we use the system chaotically. And all religions primarily tell us about the same God, it's just their expression of that concept matched the time when the religion was revealed and was thus different. And if you take into account of what Christians believe today then you're just being way too lame. The concept of God extends beyond religion, it is as rationale as any fundamental principal of science. You feel wealth to be the only bounty, poor people are recipients of the same mercy just in a different perspective. You can't perceive it since your mental faculties are stuck in the this fucking worldly bullshit. The poor gets rewarded for his resilience, something a rich man can't get.

The qualities that we 'assume' aren't assumptions. They're plain facts. The only problem with people who think is their myopic approach. You will count the good things you have for shit and keep on crying like bitches for what you don't have.

Do not think writing such stuff is in anyway 'cool'? You're just making a bloody fool out of yourself. All I can ask you to do is open your eyes, look at the world around you, feel the divinity running everywhere and you shall have all the answers.

Excuse any spelling/grammar mistakes, didn't have time to be careful for them.

Helio said...

@anonymous:

-"Look at the precision, the intricacy that lies in it. Only God can do that." How do you know that only God can do that?

-" And all religions primarily tell us about the same God,.." then either you believe that all religions have true divine origins and hence you should be in a way believer of 'all' religions [which i am sure you are not] or else you'r a hypocrite.

- The example of rich and poor was supposed to be an oversimplified example to illustrate a point.

-"The qualities that we 'assume' aren't assumptions. They're plain facts."
What evidence do you supporting your claim that they are "facts"?

And if your so sure of your ideas then why write anonymous?

Awais Aftab said...

'...And all religions primarily tell us about the same God...'

"Conceptions of God vary widely. Theologians and philosophers have studied countless conceptions of God since the dawn of civilization. The Abrahamic conceptions of God include the trinitarian view of Christians, the Kabbalistic definition of Jewish mysticism, and the Islamic concept of God. The dharmic religions differ in their view of the divine: views of God in Hinduism vary by region, sect, and caste, ranging from monotheistic to polytheistic; the view of God in Buddhism is almost non-theist. In modern times, some more abstract concepts have been developed, such as process theology and open theism. Conceptions of God held by individual believers vary so widely that there is no clear consensus on the nature of God."

From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

Do your homework first, buddy. Also read 'A History of God' by Karen Armstrong if you have got the time.